Quebrada #49

by Mike Lorefice (M.L.Liger@juno.com)

11/10/98

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AJW Athena #2 8/23/98

8/9 Tokyo Korakuen Hall

Japan Grand Prix '98 Semifinal: ZAP-I vs. Miho Wakizawa. AJW totally missed the point here. It was a big surprise that Wakizawa won the Junior League to get into the semifinals with the three best from the Top League. Instead of doing a feature on Wakizawa and building this up as the biggest match of the kid's career, which is was by far, they wasted a half hour on embarrassing modeling moments and The Pirates (two attractive young women who tend to show off their chest right before it's time for a commercial break). I can't even remember one offensive move that Wakizawa did, or if she even did any, in the 2:28 of 13:36 that aired. Athena is practically more of a variety show than a wrestling show, and that is a bad thing when you have a league of young wrestlers that badly need TV time to get over.

Japan Grand Prix '98 Semifinal: Manami Toyota vs. Yumiko Hotta. The finish of this match was excellent with Toyota debuting a move to beat the "shooters" with. Hotta tried to turn Toyota's Japanese Ocean Cyclone suplex from the corner into an udehishigigyakujujigatame, but Toyota twisted then bridged forward, which was called a henkei jackknife, for the win. 20:31 (1:30 aired).

Japan Grand Prix '98 Final: Toyota vs. ZAP-I (Ito). This wasn't much of a final. The ZAP gimmick sucks because it reduces a top five female worker like Ito to a Dump level worker, but doesn't come close to elevating her to 1/10 as great a heel.

I was the one who carried the match, which was good, but Toyota was letting her do too much. In all the great matches where Toyota is carried, she supplies great work and high spots. Here she was too hesitant. It was like she was, for once, making an effort to put over the previous damage and not make a quick comeback, but she wasn't really sure how to do it and still mount an offensive.

Ito didn't use objects in the context of putting the on best possible match. She just overly relied on them. In a sense, it wasn't so much that the gimmicks were bad, but that they didn't get any heat. The match never came close to having the aura of a final, even though, at points, Toyota really tried to get the crowd into it.

The work was strong. I's execution is really underrated. Match in and match out it's damn near perfect, but that seems to go unnoticed. Toyota didn't blow anything, but her spots were off to varying degrees. She was barely on offense because she was going over, but in the storyline it was because ZAP-T (Watanabe) was constantly interfering. They tried to make Wakizawa a star (at the live show), as aside from being in the semifinals, she was the one who interfered on Toyota's behalf.

"I like that everyone gets involved in the ZAP matches, but it happens too often. The wrestling and match quality suffer due to all the outside interference. I was disappointed in this match because there was virtually no wrestling and Manami didn't win cleanly," wrote Michael.

The finish saw T accidentally hit I with her rod then Toyota used her "new" Japanese Ocean Drop finisher for the win. This was the third time in the 14-year history of the annual JGP that Toyota won the tournament, 1990 & 1995 being the other two. The whole match just came off really flat. In the past, I would think the match must have been pretty bad for AJW to have cut more than half out of such an important match, but these days it's anyone's guess. 23:47 (9:06 aired). ** range

8/23 Kawasaki Shi Taiikukan

WWWA World Singles Title: Shinobu Kandori vs. Manami Toyota. This match had what almost all the women's matches these days lack, major crowd heat. When you watch this match, you really feel like you are seeing an event. Certainly the heat doesn't compare to the heat the Crush Gals got, especially when they were wrestling Dump Matsumoto, but this match did have the aura of a world title match. The last time an AJW main event had this aura was the Shimoda & Mita vs. Ito & Watanabe cage match from 9/21/97, which was also held at Kawasaki Shi Taiikukan.

"It must have ruled to have been at this match live. The crowd was great. The near falls at the end had me near marking out even though I already knew the outcome and the finish," wrote Michael.

This was Toyota's best performance in the past couple of years. She's certainly had days when her work was better, but this match was her smartest by a wide margin. There is a major style clash between Toyota & Kandori. This was their first singles match, and they haven't even wrestled on the same show in a long time, so it was surprising that they understood so well what would and wouldn't work. This has never been a strong suit for either of these two. Because, among other things, they compromised their styles to an extent, went against the expected, and played off each others move sets a bit, the match turned out to be about the best match they could have together at this point.

"This wasn't the best match I've seen from 1998, but it was the most enjoyable. I'll definitely be talking about this match for a while. If I don't rewatch this match at least two or three times this weekend I'll be surprised at myself. I'm so happy that it not only didn't disappoint, but it rocked harder then even I had imagined it would," wrote Michael.

Kandori started the match looking very tough and intense. Since Toyota is a face and was the "home" wrestler, Kandori bought her offer of a hand shake. Toyota surprisingly double crossed her, pulling Kandori into her own choke sleeper. Toyota was really putting everything into this move, jerking and shaking her head around. Obviously Kandori wasn't going to submit, but the move showed that Toyota wasn't going to be a slouch when it came to submissions, and might even be able to beat Kandori with one of her own holds. Toyota tried to go for her trademark series of dropkicks to start the match, but Kandori had these scouted out so she held onto the rope once and brushed them off another time. By doing this and making some faces, Kandori was showing that Toyota's high spots weren't going to work in this environment. They should have done a lot more of this because it would have made Toyota's spots mean more when she finally hit them, but instead they just dropped it. Toyota didn't back down from the punkish Kandori, instead she used Kandori's own shoudas (which she had used them on Hotta earlier in the show), complete with mocking Kandori's post shouda ritual, to put her down. Kandori stayed down as long as she could, and looked kind of ill while she was lying there, before popping up at 8 in fighting pose to show that she could continue. For Kandori, this was some of her better selling. Now that Kandori had been hurt, she wasn't able to ward off Toyota's high spots so easily. Thus, Toyota was able to do her springboard plancha. Toyota even found a few credible ways to do her high spots to Kandori. For instance, she tied Kandori up in the ropes then did a running dropkick. Before that happened though, Kandori avoided Toyota's Japanese Ocean Cyclone suplex and did a rolling cradle. The spot itself looked horrible, but it was important because Kandori was showing she wasn't a one-dimensional wrestler. It was a revenge spot of sorts for Toyota using Kandori's choke sleeper and shoudas, showing that Kandori might be able to win with one of Toyota's own high spots.

Kandori tried to catch Toyota in submissions, and the crowd was popping. Toyota respects Kandori and her gimmick, so she did make Kandori's submissions seem deadly and she didn't put Kandori in those cool looking fake submissions like she did when she wrestled the much lower ranked Hiromi Yagi. Toyota wasn't afraid to use submission or two of her own, so it wasn't entirely Kandori on the mat. She also wasn't afraid to slap Kandori when Kandori tried to intimidate her by getting in her face.

Kandori took control using her over spots like her swinging sleeper. Toyota made a comeback with a rolling cradle that wasn't too impressive because Kandori didn't do a very good job of going with it. Toyota tried her moonsault, but Kandori got her feet up. Kandori surprised everyone by immediately doing, for perhaps the first time in her career, a La Magistral for a near fall then went right into a Teioh lock. Kandori powerbombed Toyota, and Toyota tried to make it dramatic by kicking out so late that Bob Yazawa had to stop his count because his hand was going to hit the mat for three before Toyota raised her shoulder. The fans chanted "Toyota" as Kandori lifted her up for another powerbomb. Kandori didn't bring Toyota up on her shoulder in the Canadian backbreaker far enough though, so Toyota wasn't able to roll through cleanly, and her comeback was debacled even though Kandori did a good job of saving it by falling into the sunset flip.

Toyota was avoiding Kandori's lariats all day, and she turned this one into her Japanese Ocean suplex for a hot near fall. Toyota tried her Japanese Ocean drop, but it wasn't going to work, so Kandori covered it well by simply not helping Toyota lift her anymore then catching her with shoudas as soon as Toyota put her down. Kandori did a judo throw into an udehishigigyakujujigatame. Toyota blocked the submission, so Kandori turned it into a wakigatame, but Toyota made it to the ropes.

Toyota tried to come back with a springboard reverse sunset flip, but Kandori was standing in the center of the ring. There was no way that Toyota, or just about any other mere mortal, was going to be able to pull off that spot. Kandori may have thought that Toyota was going to do the springboard body attack, as she had earlier in the match. If that was the case, Kandori would have been in about the right spot. Perhaps they were on different pages or Kandori just didn't realize how far away she was, but in any case the spot turned out horrible. Kandori wasn't going to let this hurt the match any more than it had to, so she went right to the next spot, trying for an udehishigigyakujujigatame. When Toyota tried to avoid this by going to her knees, Kandori turned it into the sankakujime, which was the move she beat Hotta with to take the titles, but it wasn't enough this time.

Toyota made a comeback and did a missile kick to the floor and her springboard tope con hilo with Kandori on an unbreakable table. Toyota got a hot near fall with her Japanese Ocean Cyclone suplex. They redid the finish of the Toyota vs. Hotta JGP semifinal, and it really worked because the fans went nuts. It proved to not be a shooter killer, but the win against Hotta with this spot will keep the move over for quite some time. The crowd was screaming "Toyota" at this point. Toyota gave the sign for her J.O.C. suplex, and lifted Kandori up for it, but Kandori countered with a victory roll and sloppily scrambled to apply a henkei hiza jujigatame, Toyota's arm was trapped in the regular lock, for the submission win. This was Kandori's second title defense.

They did a good job of planting seeds in this match, but they seemed to forget about their garden. Maybe they will pick up on some of the things they started in their second match, or maybe there just wasn't much of a reason for doing them in the first place? I didn't like that they didn't work to any of the submissions, and the match didn't really have any moves that weren't high spots. The work itself was better than expected, and although it was a little sloppy it was less flawed than expected because there weren't any bad comebacks or poorly sold spots. The match was far more exciting than expected. Playing off each others move sets really helped the match. It would have worked better had they saved one of those spots for later on, or used a different one toward the finish. I would have liked to see Toyota actually try to win with a submission, but Kandori doing one of Toyota's suplexes probably would have worked better. Still, both women and their styles came out looking strong. The crowd was hot throughout, and even though they were clearly pro Toyota, there was a huge pop for the finish. 18:08 (17:24 aired). ****

Oz Academy Debut Show on GAORA 8/1/98

taped 6/21 Club Citta Kawasaki

Mayumi Ozaki vs. Bad Nurse Nakamura (free). Nurse was available low cost "talent," but she certainly wrestles like her name states, BAD. Her offense is awful, with a small move set of moves that she sometimes hits. Her setup and transitions are poor. Her selling sucks because she doesn't put anything into it, just takes the bump and that's it. To make things worse, Nurse was rusty because FMW was only using Shark Tsuchiya & Crusher Maedomari.

"I still have a soft spot in my heart for Bad Nurse, so I feel I should point out the one good thing about her in this match. She was in probably the best shape I have ever seen her in, having lost a lot of weight since she was in FMW. If nothing else, this that shows she is still at least a little dedicated. Hopefully working in GAEA will improve her working as well," wrote Chris.

This was a brawl, of course. As always, the spots where someone swung an object lacked impact, but looked good if they were avoided. The spots where the gimmick was used as a stationary object were good.

Nurse tried to push Ozaki, and even though Ozaki went above and beyond the call of duty to put Nakamura's offense over, no one was buying it. As great as Ozaki's selling is, it was overdone here simply because Nurse's spots were done so poorly. Ozaki's offense looked good, but the Nurse was hit with little impact or miss.

The highlight was Ozaki stopping Nurse's Irish whip and urakening her, which was much like what Kawada does with his spin kick. This looked like the finish, but Nurse kicked out at 2 3/4. The finish came about a minute later when Ozaki avoided Nurse's rod and urakened her. Ozaki then Tequila Sunrised Nurse for the win. They edited five minutes out of the match even though they had plenty of time to kill. Ozaki didn't have Megumi Kudo & Rieko Amano in this match to make up for the suckiness of the Nurse, so this wasn't a miracle like the 4/8/97 Dress Up Wild Fight Tag Match. Due to Ozaki it was still very good for a Nurse match, whatever that is worth. 13:09 (7:55 aired). **

Sugar Sato vs. Dynamite Kansai (JWP). This was similar to the match Kansai had with Candy on 6/8/97. Candy had a good excuse for the match not being anything special because her back was in terrible shape, but I don't know what Sugar's problem was. She looked and wrestled like she was sick or something. This should have been very good, but Sugar was really off to the point that it was below average. Her execution was well below her normal standards, and many of her moves didn't have enough on them to be credible enough for Kansai to sell. Even Ozaki being in Sugar's corner and offering instructions couldn't help. This match didn't flow well because for whatever reason, maybe just that they aren't familiar with each other, they didn't work that well together. Kansai was good, and the match was good when she was on offense, but she has had better days.

This followed a pretty predictable formula with Sugar jumping Kansai before the bell, but Kansai cutting her off and dominating her for a long stretch. Kansai's offense was good, as was Sugar's selling. Sugar finally made a comeback, but she looked terrible doing a series of bad running kicks until Kansai cut her off.

Later on, Kansai tried to kick Sugar in midair, but Sugar caught Kansai's leg and did her Dragon screw to hiza jujigatame, which was an interesting idea but only looked decent. Sugar refused to release her sleeper when Kansai got the rope, so Kansai escaped to the floor, but Sugar still held on. Sugar tried to turn it into a brawl, but she didn't have much success until Kansai kicked the post when Sugar ducked.

Back in the ring, Kansai stopped Sugar's Liger bombs, so Sugar tried to attack the knee to set up another hiza jujigatame, but the kneecap dropkicks were incredibly lame. They were better than the two urakens that followed though. All of these partially blown spots set up Sugar finally Liger bombing Kansai twice for near falls.

Kansai came back with a backdrop driver that Sugar sold well. However, Sugar turned Kansai's lariat in the corner into a somewhat blown schoolboy for a near fall. Sugar tried for her uraken, but Kansai avoided it twice and used her big moves, culminating with a Splash Mountain for the win. 13:48. *3/4

Rieko Amano & Chikayo Nagashima vs. Toshie Uematsu & Sonoko Kato (Gaea). Just when you thought this might wind up being a mediocre show, these four went out and had a very long and exciting workrate match to turn things around. This was mainly good for the spots, though it wasn't bad in the other areas. The moves were ordered properly, although there was no real focus and they obviously aren't Kawada when it comes to building to and incorporating the big moves. The match didn't really have a storyline. However, Amano & Kato went at it so hard and were so good together that they did more than enough to make you really want to see them have a singles match. It was a little sloppy, but certainly not overly so.

"This was an awesome match with some really cool spots (including the wicked release German Amano gave Uematsu), some great near falls, and a beautiful sequence of cross-armbreaker reversals by Amano and Kato," wrote Michael.

Amano, who wound up being the second best performer on the show behind Ozaki, & Nagashima are very underrated workers. Kato had a really strong performance here because not only was the work better when she was in, but her intense and fiery mannerisms added another dimension to the match. She also put a lot of effort into everything she did. Uematsu tends to be a slouch, but she wasn't outclassed here and did add to the match.

"I would rather have seen Satomura tag with Sono, but it seems like Nagayo has split them up as a team for good. I can only hope that it means one or both will be moving on to bigger things now. I think Toshie was definitely the weak link here. She was not bad, but at the same time she didn't do anything to make herself stand out. I like her, but she just doesn't have a "style." The best thing she has going for her is her attitude, but Nagashima has the same thing AND does killer spots. The other girls seem to have left Uematsu behind as they have improved a lot while Toshie has remained stagnant. Even Sakura has at least added moves. Toshie really needs to work on her move set and focus in one direction," wrote Chris.

The early portion of the match was solid. They worked the holds well and got over both the heels and the rivalry. At 2:15, Uematsu had Chikayo between the middle and top rope and was choking her with her leg, so Chikayo bit Uematsu's thigh. The Oz Academy soon began a spree of heel tactics. The highlight was Chikayo sitting on Uematsu's back and pulling on Amano to add pressure to her ½ crab while Tommy Ran was trying to get Kato to stay in her corner. Kato was pleading with Ran to turn around so she would see the illegal double teaming. Eventually Ran turned around and caught Chikayo red handed, but both Amano & Chikayo had the nerve to point to Kato, who was now standing halfway between her corner and the neutral corner, and motion to Ran to make her return to her corner. You have to love the Oz Academy!

The second half of this match was awesome with great work, high spots, and all kinds of near falls. Things really took off just after 12:00 with Chikayo doing her Oz flip (assisted somersault senton) off the top onto both opponents who were standing on the floor. She then held the opposition so Amano could tope suicida them.

The sequence Amano & Kato did from 15:15 to 17:30 provided some of the best wrestling of the year with great submissions, counters, and flying. Chikayo held Kato against the ropes after Amano had ducked a lariat, and Amano climbed up the ropes and took Kato down into an udehishigigyakujujigatame. Kato quickly turned it into one of her own, but Amano bridged out and did an Oklahoma side roll like takedown into the udehishigigyakujujigatame. Kato was trapped, but Uematsu quickly saved her with a diving body press. Kato's facials during this sequence were great, the best of which came she petitioned to Ran that she got a 3 count with her Dragon suplex. Kato tried another Dragon suplex, but Amano broke Kato's grasp and did her dobitsuki udehishigigyakujujigatame (jumping takedown into cross arm scissors), but Uematsu saved. Chikayo tried a huracanrana, but Kato held her in high angle powerbomb position and Uematsu tried a diving body attack, but Chikayo turned it into the huracanrana just in time to avoid Uematsu.

At 18:00, Chikayo tried the Oz flip in the ring, but Kato got her knees up. Kato then did her nadare shiki no Kamikaze, but Amano made the save. Uematsu used her double wrist arm sault on Chikayo, but Amano again made the save. Uematsu decided to try it off the top rope, but Chikayo knocked her off and delivered a diving footstomp. Chikayo fisherman bustered Uematsu, but Kato saved with a guillotine leg drop. Chikayo avoided Uematsu's double wrist arm sault, but Amano's subsequent double team backfired and Uematsu German suplexed Chikayo for a near fall. Uematsu tried her double wrist arm sault again, but Chikayo countered by kind of landing on her feet. Chikayo caught Uematsu's knee lift and fisherman bustered her for the win. 21:34. ****

Mayumi Ozaki & Sugar Sato vs. Kyoko Inoue & Yoshiko Tamura (Neo Ladies team). This was mainly work and spots. The early portion was strong and did a good job of leading to them. Some of the spots were blown though because Sugar's bad day continued. In fact, she was surprisingly the worst performer on the show other than Nurse, who just sucks.

Ozaki was the glue that held this together. Kyoko was pretty spry today, and she did a good job here. Ozaki worked well with her, so hopefully they will eventually have a singles match at some point. Tamura isn't polished, but she did a pretty good job here. Who would have guessed she'd be better than Sugar?

Tamura focused on Sugar's knee, and Kyoko picked up where Tamura left off when she tagged in to set up future Tamura submissions. Later on, Kyoko stopped Ozaki's nadare shiki no brainbuster and dropped Ozaki off the top with pancake suplexplex. This set up Sugar doing what Ozaki had failed to do, nadare shiki no brainbustering the much larger opponent.

Kyoko tried to get the crowd to cheer, including doing her hip swivel that should have died with that fellow donut eater who wrote about as many of his songs as Kyoko did. This was a pro Oz Academy crowd though, so Ozaki just gave the thumbs down and the fans booed Kyoko. It was great!

Sato & Tamura exchanged leg submissions in a good sequence. Tamura ducked Ozaki's uraken then turned her lariat into a wakigatame, which looked nice. Ozaki soon caught Tamura with an uraken for a near fall. In general, Ozaki's urakens and Kyoko's lariats weren't put over as being that deadly here, which wasn't a good thing. Ozaki used several urakens and Tequila Sunrises on Kyoko, but couldn't finish her off. Kyoko seems to always make quick comebacks now, which was really annoying here because Ozaki hit her with what seemed like 80 urakens and she just came back with her lariat selling nothing. I wonder if Kyoko has been studying Kobashi matches? In any case, Kyoko's once great stamina is gone, so she seems to think that conserving her energy then expending it in bursts is the way to go.

Sato was fine until she worked with Kyoko about 15 minutes into the match. She just didn't have the power to powerbomb Kyoko, although Kyoko didn't give her enough help the first time. On the second attempt, Kyoko gave Sugar enough help that she could execute the move, but the spot didn't look good.

Sato did a great thunder fire powerbomb to Tamura for a near fall, but Tamura came back with her nadare shiki no double wrist arm sault. Tamura ducked Oz's uraken so it hit Sato. Tamura then did her double wrist arm sault for a near fall. Sato did a sky high reverse neckbreaker, or at least that's what it was supposed to be. Sato turned Tamura's reverse double wrist arm sault into something of a bulldog and tried to Liger bomb Tamura twice, but it was blown both times. Perhaps part of Sugar's problem was that she was tired from wrestling twice and lifting much heavier women. Thus, Sato used urakens, Tamura did a great job of selling the second, as a bridge to redoing the Liger bomb for the win. Overall it was a very good match, but it was certainly hurt by Sugar's debacled spots down the stretch. ***1/2

Bonzai! Bonzai! Bonzai!

ARSION STARLET '98 Commercial Tape 4/17/98 Tokyo Korakuen Hall

The first starlet: Reggie Bennett & Jessie Bennett vs. Michiko Omukai & Yumi Fukawa. This match had good action, and was very good in points, but there were too many problems with the spots. Many of the spots there were problems with were only partially blown and/or covered well, but even so there were so many little flaws. "I don't think it was that the spots were blown as much as it was that the set up of a lot of them was slow and sloppy," wrote Michael. The match was mainly killed by Jessie, whose inexperience was all too obvious. The other three were good, but Jessie just wasn't close to being on the level with them.

Michiko & Yumi double teamed Big Mo early to gain the advantage, but when they had her in a double standing wakigatame, Jessie came in and tried to break it up with a double jumping lariat. In order to do this, Jessie would have to jump over Reggie sunset flip style, lariating both opponents before she started turning in the air. It just wasn't going to happen with the height and hang time Jessie gets on her jumps. The result was that she probably did more damage to her partner by landing on her bent over back then to the opposition. Jessie threw some heavy chops in this match, but her jumping and flying moves didn't look good because of the aforementioned, and also because some were a little off the mark.

Michiko caught Jessie in a hiza jujigatame, which Jessie sold well after she got to the ropes, but not enough while she was in the move. Omukai kicked the leg a few times then tagged Yumi, who came right in with a dropkick the leg.

Yumi & Jessie's sequence was good because both had a game plan, but neither would let the other see it through. Yumi wanted to take out the leg, but Jessie, who was on her back, kicked and kicked with her free leg so Yumi couldn't do anything to it. Jessie was trying to squash Yumi in the corner, but Yumi avoided the second running shoulderblock and immediately kicked Jessie in the leg. Fukawa rolled into a hiza jujigatame, but Jessie concentrated so much on doing everything she could to make it to the ropes that she didn't really sell the well worked to legit finisher very well.

In order to mount Fukawa, Jessie put herself in spots where she would have lost if this wasn't worked. The problem with the mounts in ARSION is that the women don't do much once they mount. It's good that they know he positions, but getting the mount means nothing if you don't try to launch a strong offense once you get there. Even the pathetic "girl" punches of Mark Coleman would be a vast improvement over sitting on top and thinking about what a good rest you are getting by holding the dominant position.

Reggie and Yumi were going to lock up, but Reggie put her hand over her head where Yumi couldn't reach it as a way of taunting Yumi. Reggie then used the size and power advantage that this tactic pointed out to destroy Yumi, but Yumi eventually countered Reggie with a headscissors out of nowhere and tagged the much taller Omukai.

Reggie dominated Omukai as well though, delivering two great body presses. Omukai seemed to have a slight shoulder injury coming into the match, and Reggie appeared to seriously aggravate it when she blockbustered Omukai. I'm sure the injury was legitimate, though probably not as serious as they would make it out to be in Omukai's second match. For whatever reason, probably just dumb wrestling, Reggie and Jessie never attacked it even though Omukai sold it sometimes. Jessie even put the udehishigigyakujujigatame on the "wrong" arm.

"Maybe the Bennett's were not sure about the injury since it obviously was not planned. Due to the language barrier, they may not have been able to communicate well enough to ask her how bad it was. If so, their leaving it alone could have been for safety sake," wrote Chris.

It was etched in stone that the veteran Aja was going to attack the shoulder, unless Omukai's arm was so bad it was about to fall off.

Omukai came back with a series of backdrops, showing she could throw the much heavier opponent around then Fukawa tagged in and did an ultra huracanrana. Fukawa did a diving body press and tried to immediately go into a chickenwing armlock.

Reggie came back and almost had Yumi in the Reggie rack, but she couldn't do it because she couldn't reach Yumi's leg. Seeing this, Omukai came right in and broke it up with kicks before the problem became obvious to everyone.

Reggie came back and almost had Yumi in the Reggie rack, but she couldn't do it because she couldn't reach Yumi's leg. Seeing this, Omukai came right in and broke it up with kicks before the problem became obvious to everyone.

Jessie did a couple really nice power moves for a near fall, but she had problems lifting little Yumi for a powerbomb. On the second try, Fukawa turned it into a huracanrana. Omukai came in and DDT'd Jessie to set up Yumi's Lionsault. Jessie wasn't close enough though, so Yumi dragged Jessie up and DDT'd her closer to the ropes. When Jessie lifted her arm to kick out of the Lionsault, Yumi took the other arm and applied an udehishigigyakujujigatame. Fukawa then did the Buff blockbuster for a near fall.

Fukawa tried to use jumping moves to knock Reggie off her feet, but Reggie no sold them and tried a lariat. However, Fukawa avoided this by taking Reggie down with a jumping neckbreaker drop. Omukai came in and missed a kick, so Reggie no sold it and gave her the opening for her Taurus kick, which Reggie sold. Omukai got some near falls on Reggie, but Reggie still wasn't in that bad of shape, so Omukai couldn't German suplex Reggie until Fukawa came in and dropkicked her.

Reggie came back and used her Global bomb on Omukai, but Fukawa saved. Jessie got a near fall on Omukai with a guillotine leg drop, but Omukai avoided the second one. Bennett tried to powerbomb Omukai twice, but it was avoided, more likely blown again, and Omukai took Jessie down into a wakigatame. You could see Reggie standing only a few feet in the corner not doing anything as Omukai turned it into her crucifix finisher, but then you realized the reason she couldn't was that Yumi was holding her leg from outside the ring. Jessie had no choice but to submit.

In her interview Reggie explained that this was Jessie's first tag match and that even though she had been pro for two years, she'd only wrestled 15-20 matches, so it was a learning experience. The other three were good enough here that this could be a very good match when Jessie gets better. 19:50. **

The second starlet: Aja Kong & Lady Metal vs. Omukai & Faby Apache. Omukai made this match with her selling. Aja picked up on the shoulder injury from the previous match, and debilitated it. Omukai's facials were once again excellent, and she put over the shoulder every chance she got. If anything it was too much because sometimes she might have been better off selling the move done to her instead of going back to the arm. Perhaps her shoulder was so bad that she had no choice to but to sell the shoulder.

"I think it is likely that they saw what shape the shoulder was in between matches, and then decided it was okay to play the injury up. However, that doesn't change that fact that Omukai is tough and dedicated for allowing Aja to go so nuts on her shoulder when it must have really been hurting," wrote Chris.

Of course, the Mexicans sucked, but this was a short match and neither worked enough to hurt the match that much. The beginning of the match where they worked together for 1:15 was the worst part of the match, but it wasn't Tijuana opener level of green Lucha or anything. The worst thing about Faby is that she finds it necessary to clap between every spot in an effort to get the crowd to pop. I suppose it's better than what we normally see from that "near Hall of Famer" The Great Lazy, especially his stalling exhibition in that "***1/2" match he had on 1/4/98 at the Tokyo Dome against Choshu #2, but it was still a waste of time that killed the flow of the match.

Omukai was screaming in pain as Aja debilitated her shoulder. They had to stop the match to spray Omukai's arm and check if she could continue, but there was no quit in her. Omukai tried to fight back with one arm, but you can guess how long she was able to hold off Aja in that manner. Aja was stiff, and she not only continued to work the shoulder, but she brawled outside the ring, including throwing Omukai shoulder first into a row of chairs. Omukai showed great fighting spirit and kept trying to come back, but Aja quickly cut her off. Finally, Omukai avoided Metal's assisted somersault senton and tagged Faby.

Faby did a tope con hilo off the apron and brawled on the floor, which wasn't bad. Metal finally came back and held Faby so Aja could suicida her. Faby avoided the suicida, and seeing this coming, Aja tried to hang onto the ropes to avoid taking her partner out, but Aja hurt her back doing this. Omukai took Aja out with her swandive missile kick, and Faby applied a submission hold called el nudo for the win.

Omukai got destroyed by Aja, but she gained a measure of revenge by keeping Aja from making the save, which cost Aja the match. Sakie Hasegawa came out and shook Omukai's hand, and they did an interview together. Of course, Omukai was putting her shoulder, which she had an ice pack on, over the whole time. 11:25. ***1/4

Rie Tamada (2-4-1) vs. Mariko Yoshida (ARSION debut). This was a weird match. It was kind of a new style to women's wrestling. In a way it was like some of the worked matches you see in RINGS, but it wasn't close to a worked shoot. It was mainly on the mat, with high spots interspersed. The gist of the match was they that just kept countering each others submissions and spots.

"The match was good, but it would have been a better if Tamada had focused her attack on one specific body part. At times it looked like she didn't know what to do next due to not being focused. Attacking Yoshida's bad arm might have been nice, but another part would also have worked if she it was clear she didn't want to win by working over the arm that had been broken," wrote Michael.

Sometimes one of them would get caught in a finisher, but the weird thing about the match was the selling. Even when there was a finisher, neither really put it over as such. At other times, Rie would do a move and Yoshida would no-sell it by staring at Rie. Some of the counters were great, but you saw so many that they kind of lost their luster. Yoshida got a bloody lip on the way, but won with a henkei facelock. 12:29. ***

The final starlet: Mikiko Futagami (6-2) vs. Candy Okutsu (4-3-2). This was an exciting all- action match. In fact, there was so much action that it was hard to keep up with at times. The work and workrate were great. The downside was that the comebacks and selling, especially on Candy's part, were Koji-esque. This was one of those matches where they did so many cool, and some innovative, spots that you had to be impressed even though they were rolling things out.

Futagami's new look and gimmick really suits her. One of the reasons it works so well is that she looks so intense when she is applying her moves. Candy doesn't have a new gimmick, but she is a lot more attractive than she was when she was in JWP. She is also by far the smoothest worker in ARSION, and it really showed in this match.

The match started out fast, and actually it stayed that way throughout, with Candy knocking Futagami to the floor and doing the Sayama feint. Candy tried a climb-up plancha, but Futagami saw it coming and reentered the ring. Candy wasn't going to let that stop her though, so Candy immediately turned around on the top rope and gave Futagami a diving body attack! However, Futagami got the last laugh because she rolled through on this and locked in an udehishigigyakujujigatame.

Futagami put Candy in a Dragon sleeper, but Candy did a cool bridge, basically flipping backwards over Futagami, and turned it into a sleeper. Candy hit a couple of missile kicks and a moonsault attack that came up a little short. They did a nice sequence of counters on the mat that resulted in neither being able to lock in a finisher.

Futagami leveled Candy with a lariat for a near fall. She tried to go to the top, but Candy dropkicked her to the floor and this time was able to hit her climb-up plancha. However, Futagami put her in an udehishigigyakujujigatame on the floor, which Candy put over well.

Back in the ring, Futagami used her Northern Light suplex, but of course she didn't win with her LLPW move. Futagami put Candy down with shoudas and went to the top, but Candy made a quick comeback with her nadare shiki no Northern Lights suplex. Candy tried a diving headbutt, but Futagami avoided it. Futagami did a good job of putting over her back then tried a running shouda, but Candy avoided it and did her rolling German suplex for a near fall. However, Futagami broke the pin by turning it into a chickenwing armlock. Futagami set Candy up on the top and pulled her off into an udehishigigyakujujigatame, which looked a lot better than when she did this spot to Aja.

Candy stopped an Irish whip and went into a powerbomb then moonsaulted Gami for a near fall, which was another quick comeback on Candy's part. Candy ran off the ropes, but Futagami shouda'd her for a near fall. Futagami went into an ude garame (arm lock) when Candy kicked out, and Candy was screaming in pain. Futagami continued after the arm, pulling Candy off the top into an udehishigigyakujujigatame, but Candy made it to the ropes. Futagami used finisher after finisher, but still couldn't put Candy away.

Candy ducked a shouda in the corner and finally came back using her rolling German for a near fall. Candy set up her nadare shiki no Northern Light suplex, but when she ran up the ropes, Futagami shouda'd her off. Candy took a great bump on this, leaping backwards so far that she practically landed in the center of the ring. This perfectly set up the following spot, Futagami's diving headbutt. Futagami rolled into a strangle hold, which was the finish of their first match on 2/28, but Candy was too close to the ropes. Futagami dragged Candy up and brought her to the middle of the ring so she could do another strangle hold for the win, but Candy once again made it to the ropes, which frustrated Futagami. Futagami did a victory roll, but it was innovative because instead of holding both legs for the pin, she held one and made it a submission hold that looked like a modified stump puller. Candy tried to turn Futagami's German suplex into a bodyscissor victory roll, but Futagami stopped it and wheel barrel suplexed her. However, Candy landed on her feet/knee and caught Futagami with a Yakuza kick for the upset win. This showed that Candy would be a player in ARSION, and after the match she talked about the ARS tournament, which she would go on to win. Excellent action even though the comebacks should have been better. 13:15 ****

Independent World World Heavyweight Title & World Brass Knuckles Title Double Title Match

The Gladiator vs. Masato Tanaka

9/28/97 Kawasaki Stadium

From FMW Over The Legend Kawasaki Commercial Tape

These two have always delivered when they wrestled each other, but they turned it up a notch here. This had great spots and big bumps, as the match was a strong combination of ring work and gimmick spots. The main problem with the match was that the selling was rather weak, but that was expected given the league. There were also a number of spots that weren't executed to perfection.

Every time these two wrestle, Gladiator kicks Tanaka's ass. This works toward making the match quality because Tanaka is such a great bump boy that he makes Gladiator, who isn't that good, look Awesome. The story of this match was that Tanaka was finally able to take all Gladiator had and comeback for the dramatic win ala Atsushi Onita. The problem was that there wasn't a thunderous pre-retirement Onita-like ovation when Tanaka got this big win, or anything even marginally resembling one.

After Gladiator taunted Tanaka, they opened with a stiff exchange of chops and it stayed hard hitting throughout. Neither man was going to back down, but they would get crossed up only 40 seconds into the match. Tanaka got the early advantage, highlighted by a Misawa-esque elbow suicida. Gladiator came back with a slingshot shoulder attack, and soon hit his impressive version of the plancha where he dives over the top rope to the floor.

Tanaka made his comeback at 5:00, including his swinging DDT and a nadare shiki no brainbuster. Gladiator ducked Tanaka's second running elbow and dropped him on his head with a released German suplex. However, Tanaka summoned all of his energy and put Gladiator down with a lariat. Both sold this, though not nearly as long as the AJ greats they lifted the spot from would have.

The gimmicks kicked in as Gladiator springboarded off a chair like our good friend Sabu and clocked Tanaka in the head with a chair. Tanaka basically no-sold this and the subsequent chair shot, which was questionable judgement at best, and tried to come back with an elbow but Gladiator released German suplexed him. Gladiator draped Tanaka on the top and German suplexed him for a near fall. Tanaka was forced to sell this spot forever because Gladiator went to the floor and set two tables up. Gladiator Liger bombed Tanaka off the apron through two adjacent tables. After both sold, Gladiator dragged Tanaka back into the ring and broke a piece of one of the broken tables over Tanaka's head then Liger bombed him for a near fall.

Gladiator set another table up outside the ring at 12:00 and tried to powerbomb his favorite bump boy over the top rope through the table. Tanaka slipped out though and gave Gladiator a dose of his own medicine by thunder fire powerbombing him over the top rope through the table!

Back in the ring, Tanaka got two hot near falls with his thunder fire powerbomb, but neither looked good because they didn't have any impact (so actually they were more reminiscent of Onita than they were supposed to be). Tanaka used some elbows that Gladiator didn't really sell, but the sequence culminated with Tanaka KO'ing Gladiator with his roaring elbow for the win. Tanaka became the 12th World Brass Knuckles champ & 3rd Independent World World champ. This match has been overrated a little bit, but I can see why because you have to put things in perspective. Certainly it was from perfect, and even the finish was weak due to the powerbombs and bad selling. However, outside of All Japan, this may have been the best Japanese heavyweight match of 1997. I guess that says more about how bad New Japan heavyweights were in 1997, despite all those "**** calibre" matches Chono always delivers. 15:18. ****

"To compare Gladiator/Tanaka from Kawasaki and Gladiator/Tanaka from ECW is like comparing a thoroughbred to a pony. The two levels reached are very different. The main reason for this is indeed simple; ECW. ECW is a cesspool of contamination. The no-selling of what once could've been Jun's rival is absolutely miserable. They no sell chairshots like they were mosquito bites. Why? Because it sells to a bunch of uneducated drunks? One word: Pathetic. It's a bad business decision by the FMW boys to associate themselves with a person as crooked and shady as Heyman. There is permanently no hope for Tanaka now. Due to ECW, he has become complete shit," wrote Hadi.

Independent World World Heavyweight Title & World Brass Knuckles Title Double Title Match

Mr. Gannosuke vs. Hayabusa

4/30/98 Yokohama Bunka Taiikukan

From FMW ENTERTAINMENT WRESTLING LIVE SUPER MATCH IN YOKOHAMA Commercial Tape

Hayabusa is a very good pure worker with awesome high spots, but he's no better than average in any other aspect of wrestling. Luckily, Gannosuke does understand how to wrestle, and he instilled enough of the other aspects to make the moves have some meaning. This was a basic match as far as the storyline and psychology went, but simple and effective works, and is great psychology by FMW standards. This was still mainly work, but it was an exciting and dramatic match with tons of near falls and some of the best high spots you'll ever see in a heavyweight title match.

Hayabusa kneecap dropkicked Gannosuke about three minutes into the match. Gannosuke blew out his knee legit early in this match, and missed a considerable amount of time. My guess based on Gannosuke's selling of the move was that it was the first knee spot, the kneecap dropkick, that he blew it out on. Hayabusa launched an all out attack on Gannosuke's knee. Gannosuke did a great job of putting this over, partly because he can sell but partly because he was really in a great deal of pain.

"So many guys stop selling when they are on offense, but Gannosuke was really good here at remembering the past damage. Rey Jr. is good at it as well, but it makes you wonder how much is legit knee pain versus work. I've gotten hurt in a match and kept working. During the match, the adrenaline keeps you from feeling the pain at times. Sometimes it takes me 2 days to feel all that I've done to myself. When it comes to guys who have a history of knee problems, they know how to sell the knee even when they are working. Terry Funk is a master of this," wrote Sam Panico.

Hayabusa didn't really put any effort into his submissions, and it's very hard for a masked wrestler to show intensity even if they try.

"I disagree a bit. Liger, Sasuke, and Santo all get out great emotions even with the hood on. Check out Lyger, especially when he is on offense. His body language is simply amazing," wrote Sam.

Hayabusa seemed rather bored during the early portion because he wasn't doing his spots.

"Exactly, which is why I'm not into him as much. He is more interested in high spots than pacing and working body parts. Then again, I'm a mark for the Andersons, who would work the arm forever," wrote Sam.

Perhaps the reason his submissions looked weak and uninspired was that he knew Gannosuke was really hurt and he didn't want to make things any worse?

"Bill Wilcox once KO'd Lightning Kid (X-Pac) way back in the day in a match that Kid was supposed to go over in. Wilcox was really professional, so instead of taking the cheap win, he brought Kid back in the ring and made it look like X-Pac, who was totally unconscious, hit an inside cradle for the win. As far as leg injuries go, it's very easy to work the damaged leg and make it look legit. You have to be tender, but you can still be believable and then allow the damaged part to heal, hopefully..." wrote Sam.

The problem with the match is that if is going over, he's going to beat you with a flying move or his falcon arrow, not a knee submission. I think you have to cut these guys some slack though because the knee was just something that accidentally happened. They did their best to adapt to the situation even though it didn't play into Hayabusa's move set at all.

"I thought Busa should've stayed on the leg more, but he wasn't too adept at working it

over in the first place. The fact that they didn't tease it as a way for Hayabusa to win hurt the match as far as reaching a higher level," wrote Michael.

Gannosuke came back at 7:25, turning Hayabusa's lariat into a wakigatame. He proceeded to attack Hayabusa's arm. The roles were reversed here, but the outcome was the same in that Gannosuke was really putting a lot into his holds, while Hayabusa was only doing a decent job of selling them.

Hayabusa came back at 9:30 with a swandive kneecap dropkick, but Gannosuke avoided his quebrada and maintained control. Gannosuke used Hayabusa's falcon arrow, which was the move Hayabusa won their 4/29/97 match with, on him for a near fall. Gannosuke was selling his bad knee in between holds, with the knee injury "costing him chances" to win the match or put together a flurry.

"I love that. When somebody kicks out and they have been working on a body part, I go right back to selling that part and 'feed' it to them. By doing this, it shows that I was good enough to go on offense, but now I am too frustrated and hurt to continue on offense. I'm rewarding them for their previous work by giving them them this advantage over me," wrote Sam.

Hayabusa soon made a comeback, which included an awesome tope con hilo. Gannosuke pulled his Gannosuke clutch (Kido clutch) out of nowhere, which was the move he pinned Tanaka with on 1/6/98 to win both titles, but Hayabusa retained control and did his firebird splash for a near fall. Hayabusa got a near fall with his falcon arrow then tried to put Gannosuke away with his phoenix splash, but Gannosuke cut him off.

"I liked the way the match built, and the finishing sequences were tremendous. Lots of false finishes, which I loved. I went to this show with someone who had really never seen FMW before. I kept saying to him, 'there's the Falcon Arrow, that's the end.' Oops, wrong again," wrote Glenn.

The match got excellent because not only were they doing great spots, but they were kicking out of their finishers late so you thought this finisher could do it and they held off the answer until the last fraction of a second.

"I try to do that too, but you have to have a really great ref, and sometimes even then it's dangerous. Our ref is Steel City is one of the best around, but one day guys were calling spots on the mat and they didn't even notice the three count. This was not the planned finish. The ref didn't want to look bad and hesitate and neither worker paid attention, so the finish, and coincidentally two or three months of booking, went in the toilet," wrote Sam.

Gannosuke tried his Michinoku driver II, but his bad knee gave out, probably legitimately, when he did it so it didn't do nearly as much damage as normal. Gannosuke was able to hit it cleanly about a minute and a half later, but the combination of the knee injury and the toll of the match prevented him from making a cover.

Hayabusa took control and got a 2 9/10 count with his falcon arrow.

"I was surprised that Gannosuke kicked out of the falcon arrow, but I didn't see the drama that you saw. The near falls were hurt by the lack of heat. The crowd was dead for the whole match since the show sucked so bad. I did think the match was very good, just not as good as it could've been had the crowd been into it," wrote Michael.

Gannosuke was again going to cut off his phoenix splash, but this time Hayabusa saw it coming so he kicked Gannosuke. He then tried to settle for a swandive elbow, but Gannosuke punched him in the face in midair and both sold to put over the toll of the match.

"So many U.S. fans think that double knockdown spots and putting over the toll of the match is just being lazy and resting. Now, to an extent I won't deny this because working 3-5 minute TV matches do no good for your stamina, and during a double KO spot, both of us are getting some wind as the ref checks us. They are also good because we can call spots through the ref until we are both on our feet. All of this aside though, I believe that this is an essential spot in title matches to get over the importance of the match. In general, I feel that title matches should be a lot stiffer and have more selling, but the reason I feel the double KO spot is that the challenger should have some kind of game plan. In my last match, I worked the head and neck to set up a neckbreaker. When the neckbreaker

worked, I went for it again, but got it reversed, so now I have 'learned my lesson' and need a new gameplan. I'm down because he reversed me and he's down because he's still hurting from the previous neckbreaker. The next time we fight it may be a new move that I build for in my offense, but if what I hope will be the finisher doesn't work, I'll go to a new move like my Kido clutch or Million Dollar Buster instead of going back to the same thing again and having it cost me. If this hits, it may be enough to get the pin," wrote Sam.

Hayabusa nearly caught Gannosuke in a Dragon suplex, but Gannosuke kicked him low then thunder fire powerbombed him for a 2 3/4 count. Gannosuke got another 2 3/4 count with his Northern Light suplex. Gannosuke tried his Michinoku driver II again, but Hayabusa slipped out and was now able to deliver a released Dragon suplex. With Gannosuke stunned, Hayabusa was finally able to phoenix splash Gannosuke for the win. Hayabusa became the 5th Independent World champ & 14th Brass Knuckles champ.

A really good and gutsy performance by Gannosuke. In the perfect world, the execution would have been a little better, but in the perfect world Gannosuke doesn't get injured. With all the spots in this match, I would have liked to have seen Hayabusa hit one or two more big spots before he got the pin. At least the Dragon suplex was made important by an earlier tease and the phoenix splash is one of Hayabusa's main finishers, which was teased on more than one occasion. It's kind of disheartening when a big show sellouts, but even the quality matches with over performers don't have any real heat. 21:45. ****

Overall, this FMW PPV was very much like a WWF PPV. The undercard had a lot of matches that looked bad, if not really bad, even though they were edited down. There were a few good ones like Masato Tanaka vs. Bam Bam Bigelow (a lot worse than expected though) and Jinsei Shinzaki vs. Yukihiro Kanemura (a lot better than expected). The main event was worlds better than anything else on the show. If one of these guys was Austin or Michaels, people would be raving about this match and bragging about their greatness because they "saved the show" and thus made it a "thumbs up." However, since this is "garbage wrestling" the same people are quick to dismiss the whole show as crap. I've seen all these vaunted WWF matches from this year that are supposed to be great, and there was one **** match in the whole lot, Austin vs. Dude Love 5/31/98.

"Agreed, and lately WWF buy rates have gone up even though their PPV's flat out swallow and even Austin hasn't been able to pull out one of his trademark '****' matches. Maybe The Chef and Captian Suck It should have a ladder match on every show because, after all, that '***** classic' made SummerSuck such a great show," wrote Michael.

Austin vs. Dude had a ton of gimmicks, choreographed spots, and booking swerves, but of course was deemed a great brawl instead of "garbage wrestling."

"With Austin's injury, garbage wrestling is a necessity. It's not an easy style to work, but hurt, it's easier than doing reversals and a multiitude of bumps because you can just stand there and brawl. I mean, Onita's days as a great worker (and it's debatable if there ever were any) were over when FMW started, but he was the king of getting heat. Look at any of his matches, his charisma was well suited for this style, as is Austin's and Raven's among others," wrote Sam.

So let's figure this out, we have FMW who popularized "garbage wrestling" and invented a lot of things within that genre such as several different death matches. We have W*ING and IWA Japan, who copied FMW's ideas, but took the insanity of the gimmick matches to the next level. We have ECW, who copied both of them, but made the product far "raunchier" by adding the swearing and scantily clad women who are almost always mistreated and often abused. Then you have the WWF, who brought ECW's "raunchiness" to prime time television and in some ways took it to the next level. Somehow the result of all this is that FMW, W*ING, & IWA Japan are seen as "garbage" or "porn wrestling." To an extent this is accurate, and I'm not going to tell you I've seen a lot of quality from FMW this year or any quality from Big Japan at any point in the history of their promotion, which I will probably vote for as Worst Promotion, with the exception of their junior tournament and an occasional Tajiri match.

"I really liked FMW this year, as booking became more important than HEY WATCH THIS SPOT!	I can watch any Big Japan tape, in fast forward," wrote Sam.

However, I don't really like the term garbage wrestling because it essentially calls all gimmick and death matches crap, lumping Ozaki vs. Kansai in the same category as Kojika vs. Pogo. I can't say I'm an Atsushi Onita fan, but he had several death matches that were far better than crap even though the wrestling itself was typically poor. Sure the powerbombs and "ram headbutts" were horrible, but some of his matches were well built and incredibly dramatic. Calling an entire promotion garbage also is a very narrow-minded view. For instance, it dismisses the work that a guy like Silver King did in IWA Japan simply because he did it on the undercard of a show with a death match on top. While I don't recall him having any match of the years there, anyone who can make guys the Head Hunters look good earns an A in my book.

ECW is great to their hardcore fans and the uninitiated who just mark out for the spots, angles, and blood. Obviously some of their fans are intelligent, but it seems like there are 500 ECW fans who have absolutely no clue about anything that makes wrestling good or bad per every 1 that has some clue.

"You are really underestimating this number. It's more like 1 in every 1,000 or 10,000 have a clue. ECW fans are under the delusion that they must say their promotion is the best to prove their loyalty. I mean, even the smartest ECW loyalist would say Van Dam is as good as Kawada or Misawa. Their opinions are all worthless," wrote Hadi.

"I disagree with Hadi about Misawa & Kawada because most ECW fans wouldn't know or care who they were. What they like is not pacing or story, but cum shots of blood. If any wrestling should be called 'porn,' it's ECW," wrote Sam.

"I think there is a strong element of truth to what Hadi says here. Loyalty can be taken

too far, and I think the ECW attitude encourages this by pretending to be against everyone else (despite cooperating with WWF)," wrote Miko.

"I totally agree with Mike and Hadi on the smarkness of the ECW loyalists, but calling them fans is wrong. To me a fan isn't someone who gets off on his favorite wrestler taking ultra stiff chairshots to the head or blistering someone else with a VCR. If you really like someone, why would you want to see them take that kind of punishment? If ECW smarks and wrestlers really are the 'family' they proclaim themselves to be then you'd think that they'd look out for 'their own' and not force these guys to do what they do to get cheap heat. It seems that during the matches, the fans react more to the props used than to the wrestlers or the wrestling itself. I defy anyone to name one ECW worker that is over soley due to his talent," wrote Michael.

"I think Michael is taking this a little far. The wrestlers do what they do because ECW has taught the fans that 'tough' wrestlers should take chairshots like that. I don't think the responsibility of the federation can be disregarded," wrote Miko.

"She's right, the promotion is also to blame for this, but if the smarks got sick of seeing the same gimmick spots over and over again then they wouldn't pop for them and the wrestlers would have to do something else to get pops. It's pretty sad that as much as Balls has 'improved' and as great as Tanaka is the only time people care about them is when they are getting blistered with chair shots to the head. The way it is now, if someone eases up on a chairshot they get booed out of the building. ECW set a precedent for these guys and now they are forced to live up to it," wrote Michael.

"An example of what Michael is saying is how under Lance Storm was at the first PPV with his weak chairshots. ECW is based on can you top this, and if every ECW fan saw that tape of what happened to poor Mass Transit that would be it. You'd have to shoot somebody to get over again. After that, you'd have to shoot your opponent in the face to get over. At least it would thin out the bad talent," wrote Sam.

To some extent, I agree with both Michael & Miko. As a fan of any wrestler, I want them to have a long peak and I'd also like them to be relatively healthy (the poundings are part of the sport and they add up over time, so no wrestler whose career amounted to anything will retire in the same health as he/she began wrestling in) when they retire so they can have a good afterlife even though I'll probably never, or almost never, see them again unless they remain in the sport in another capacity (or WWF brings them back to 'honor' them by trying to have Jerry Lawler embarrass them). Taking all these stiff chair shots to the head, where there is really nothing your opponent can do to "fake it,"is just begging for some form of brain damage. Of course, no one chairshot is likely to cause permanent injury, but it's a cumulative thing. When attending a show, I don't recall every popping for a stiff chairshot and have no plans to. Wrestlers and promoters alike may have a lot of flaws, but I haven't heard of many who were deaf. Anything that gets pops in this business is considered to be working. When a high spot is working then more wrestlers will do it if they can, very often in fact, and they will try to raise the bar to top their fellow wrestler if that is humanly possible. As a promoter, your main goal is to make $$$$$$$, so obviously you are going to encourage whatever you know works. The thing is, almost anything can work in wrestling if it's properly pushed so promotions don't "have to" take a certain direction, and perhaps the hardest thing to do is reverse a trend once it has been set in motion and the bar has been raised several times. It is certainly possible, and no one can manipulate their sheep better than Heyman, so he could definitely change the direction of his promotion over time if he chose to. I'm not going to hold my breath though because first he'd have to want to change, and so far purchasing his PPV's that even his marks can't defend hasn't been A Regret They'll Never Forget, so he has no need to change.

"I disagree about his marks not being able to defend them. They do defend ECW's PPV's, no matter how bad they are. Most recently, they tried to claim that Nova & Meanie vs. Roadkill & Doring was a 'hot opener' when the match was BAD. The fact is that Nova sucks. He has two or three high spots and not much else. If anything, he should be glad he was left off the meaningless PWI 500 because he's gotten far more recognition by being excluded. If he made it, he'd be nothing more than a name on a page with a bunch of other names, probably all ranked in the wrong order. It's almost like Pete Rose being banned from the baseball Hall Of Fame. If he was allowed in today then no one would care anymore, and he'd have nothing to bitch about, so he'd have to go away. By being excluded it's that 'us against them' deal that ECW lives off off," wrote Michael.

Even when Heyman had some of the best wrestlers in the world, Benoit, Guerrero, Malenko, Misterio Jr., Juventud, Psicosis, for example, how many times were these guys in the main event instead of the "hardcore" wrestlers, and how many world titles did they have? While I will agree that it is hard to build a promotion around wrestlers whose first priority/committment lies elsewhere (part time can be good, for instance, Vader would be a much bigger draw if AJ only used him on their meaningful shows, all their Budokan Hall and Tokyo Dome shows, as well as maybe an occasional special appearance at the 5,000 or so seat arenas), but I highly doubt things would have been any different if they were "ECW boys." If Heyman were to get Benoit back, he might well push him to the moon, but I think you'd be wrong to expect Benoit's style in ECW to be much different from the style he worked against The Taskmaster. Certainly there is nothing wrong with that style because Benoit can be great at any style and his brawls with Taskmaster were definitely quality until they became the same thing over and over. However, the point is Benoit as ECW champion would certainly lead to far better matches, but you'd be wrong to think it would mark a departure from the "hardcore" style on top.

"I think ultimately it comes down to that the fans pop for it. The wrestlers are willing to take those kind of stiff shots. It's vaguely similar to a boxer with great skills going out and slugging it out match after match because the fans like to see that style more and it makes him more money. The ECW wrestlers don't have the great skills, but like the boxer they are taking alot more blows to the head and down the road it's going to take it's toll. ECW wants to do this style, presumably because they feel it helps make them distinct from the big two, or at least it did until WWF started copying it, but by that point ECW was already 'locked in' to this style. I do think part of the reason ECW pushes the 'hardcore' style is that it doesn't take talented guys to work it. Not everyone can do a springboard moonsault, but anyone willing to take the pain can swing chairs and get hit by them," wrote Miko.

I agree with Miko, this is one style that you are capable of doing whether you are really green or a 25 year veteran. It takes talented wrestlers to work hard chair shots into a good brawl, but since the majority of the ECW fans are there for the spots themselves and could care less about psychology, that is if they even would know it if they saw it, guys like Dreamer, Sandbumb, D-Von, New Jack, and the rest are cool for just taking and dishing out the "hardcore" gimmick spots. If Heyman could find more guys who could pull off cool flying moves even to Esther Moreno or Sabu proficiency you can bet he'd roll them out there and come up with some more words that end in cidal to describe them.

"I hate ECW fans. Most of the workers I know do as well, but I won't name any names. The main reason is that an ECW crowd is not a wrestling crowd. You can't do heat spots or hope spots (when somebody is getting beat down and losing badly, they get a quick burst of offense before getting cut off) with these people as your audience. When people try to wrestle there now, they can't. It's like a guy who works a straight match is as ridiculous as an ECW ref who checks the guys for illegal objects. All you can do is kill each other. It's a heavy metal kid crowd, who is lured in by the promise of violence, blood, and sexy women, and at least gets the first two. I once saw a kid dip his ticket into an ECW wrestler's blood as a keepsake. I walked up to him and was like, umm, is this interesting to you? The other thing we hate is that some fans go to ECW just to chant. They think THEY are the show with their chants and attitude. Let THEM get in the ring and get hurt trying to put on a good show and we'll never have to hear 'YOU FUCKED UP' again. Poor J.T. Smith was nearly dead after he missed that one dive, but instead of being concerned the 'fans' just laughed," wrote Sam.

These "loyalists" (wow, has a lot of text been added since I attempted to make my transitions to get in and out of these lists) are the ones who spurt out all kinds of ludicrous statements such as

1) Rob Van Dam & Sabu are two of the best wrestlers in the world

"If you judge soley on blown spots and weak looking punches then RVD is the God of Wrestling. Apparently some people now think that RVD has really improved because he gave such a 'great' performance at the latest PPV. All I saw was the same spot-blowing machine that makes him a very poor man's Chris Jericho, of course minus Jericho's ability to actually be entertaining and make you laugh," wrote Michael.

"Wrestling is an art, and like all art, there are different levels and subjectivities. Liger is a Picasso, while Van Dam is like a big eyed Keane painting," wrote Sam.

2) ECW is hardcore wrestling with some great technicians like Shane Douglas

"What exactly is hardcore wrestling? When a guy like New Jack has probably never used 3 different wrestling holds in any of his ECW matches, how can what he does be a genre of wrestling? I think everyone realizes that Douglas constantly trashes Flair and Michaels because he knows he'll never be considered as great as most perceive those two to be. It's far worse when people try to defend Dreamer by saying he can wrestle when he has to," wrote Michael.

Yeah, especially if you have witnessed the horror of Dreamer trying to be a "technical" wrestler in IWCCW.

"I disagree on the concept of 'Hardcore' not being a genre of pro wrestling, just because they don't know many wrestling holds. If we start judging by that standard there are guys in the "big two" who also would be in trouble. Pro wrestling ultimately is not a set of holds, it's stylized, simulated violence with pre-determined finishes, normally acted out in a wrestling ring in front of a live crowd. How it is acted out shows what style a match and/or wrestler is working. 'garbage,' 'Lucha,' 'American,' 'hardcore,' or whatever. New Jack's wrestling is a style simply because all wrestling falls into some category, and they just call his hardcore," wrote Miko.

3) Only the toughest and best can wrestle in ECW

"First of all the toughest aren't those who can take the most chair shots to the head and keep getting up. The toughest are those like Lance Storm who are man enough to try to get over without taking that shit. The best what wrestle in ECW? Perhaps the best 'woman abusers,' but certainly not the best wrestlers," wrote Michael.

4) ECW wrestlers are a family and everyone busts their ass to give you "good" matches

I agree for the most part that the effort is there, but...

"You can bust your ass as hard as you want and still have a shit match. We in Steel City try harder, but you can try harder and still do all the wrong things," wrote Sam.

"ECW wrestlers are a family until some of them are smart enough to take the money and run. At that point the ECW fans make them out to be the prodigal sons by turning their back on them and chanting 'you sold out.' They may bust their asses in the ring, but any human being is capable of busting their ass. Working hard doesn't make a bad match a good match, period," wrote Michael.

"The 'You Sold Out' chant seems like it is also encouraged by the ECW and it's confrontational 'you are with us or against us' attitude. Not to say fans are stupid for chanting that, but that those are exactly the fans ECW is trying to draw. As for working hard, I expect a certain degree of effort because this is what they are paid to do. However, just working hard doesn't make a great wrestler any more than it makes a great basketball player or a great anything else," wrote Miko.

As far as their confrontational attitude goes, Styles constant bashing of the "big 2" is pathetic, and the "us vs. them" thing in general is just as lame. Now, at some points this has been hilarious, for instance when Austin was making fun of Uncle Eric, but what is the point of "feuding" with a promotion like WCW that would never work with you in 1000 years? Sometimes a grandstand challenge can be a good thing that can help create or reassert the myth that your company or one of your wrestlers is "the real deal," but that was never the point in ECW and when Styles rolls out 20 cuts a week they go from being a good point on why the opposition sucks to a habit that isn't worth noticing. I realize their point is to make us think their product is superior, but how many viewers are they still fooling and how does that compare to the number of viewers who laugh at this each week, or at least did before they heard it so many times the joke wore off?

I don't like the "You Sold Out" chants because it once again shows the fans don't give a damn about the wrestlers as people and/or have no knowledge of the business. In baseball and basketball, I think to an extent that calling the players greedy is fair. I mean, you'll have guys leaving their team that they supposedly still really want to play for to make $2 million more on a 7 year $70 million contract or something ludicrous like that (me thinks Bernie will be gone, for way more money than this of course, and good riddance because once he's exposed for what he really is in Arizona I won't have to hear all the annoying Yankee fans try to tell me this guy is better than Lofton, Lankford, and so on). When the $2 million difference is something like going to WCW for $2.5 million a year to work a far less tolling style or staying in ECW for $0.5 million a year where there is a far greater risk of injury, I don't see how you can fault the guys for taking the money. It is a business after all, and one where it's been proven that a big money offer might be a once in a lifetime occurrence. Now, you can certainly say they were stupid to go to WWF or WCW because they got a guarantee of money, but it was quite obvious there was no spot for them in this company so they would become just another glorified jobber. Making a bad career move and "selling out" are two entirely different things though.

"I disagree with the sports part because the owners don't have any loyalty to the players either. As far as I'm concerned, you make as much as you can while you're still able to because once you retire you don't get paid anymore. Regardless of how much you are making, $2 million is $2 million and if someone is willing to pay you more then you'd be stupid not to except it unless there is a specific reason for it, like not wanting to play in NY because of the media or getting an extra year or two on a contract or a no trade clause or something else similar. Wrestling is a business, and it's much easier to get a career ending injury in wrestling, so you are more inclined to go where the money is no matter how you are used. Look at Public Enemy. They could have went back to ECW, but they resigned with WCW to occassionally be used as jobbers on Nitro. It's much easier working in WCW than ECW, so if you actually care about a wrestler, more than just seeing him in a ring, then you should be 'happy' he's in WCW. That being said, that doesn't mean you shouldn't be pissed about how he is being used, but unfortunately you rarely get to have your cake and eat it too." wrote Michael.

Having a wrestler you like in WCW is slightly better than having them be retired. I almost haven't noticed Ultimo Dragon is gone, which is one sad comment since he's been one of my real favorites since the first time I ever saw him. No real wrestler can even scratch the surface in the amount of times guys WCW guys are allotted for their entire "match."

5) Heyman is a true booking genius because his ideas are so original

"He made Public Enemy look like a good, or at least servicable, tag team. He made 911 look unbeatable. His ideas for better or, well, screw that, worse, always show up in the big 2. The abuse of women, the run-ins, the rules out the window, and so on. The beating of women could take me hours to debate. In the words of Anton Lavey, when one says he hasn't the words, his vocabulary isn't big enough. I don't have the vocabulary to say how mad it makes me," wrote Sam.

"If Heyman is such a booking genius then explain why his best talent, guys like Jerry Lynn, Tommy Rogers, Paul Diamond, and Tracy Smothers were/are all buried. Some of his ideas are good, but if he was so good at getting guys over then how come most of the fans don't really care when any of these stars leave and seem to get off on chanting 'You Sold Out' at them? Everyone in ECW is dispensable, which is good or bad depending on how you look at it. It's not saying anything for Heyman when a big star like Fullington leaves and no one cares. It does mean that these guys aren't half as over as they everyone seems to think they are. Heyman could throw practically anyone out there and as long as they use props, profanity, and juice they'll get over because that is what the drunks come to see. One example of this, who I'm not saying is a total no talent, is the former Portuguese Man of War Aldo Motoya. The same fans who would have laughed at him in WWF now call him 'the hottest young wrestler in the business.' He has gotten a little better wrestling wise, but the reason he is over is that his character is a blatant rip off of Austin, Raven, and X-Pac. He's not half as talented or over as any of them, but the fans like the gimmick so they will settle for second rate. I will say this for Heyman, no one can work a crowd like him because in one night he got them to hate Sabu and love Taz, which shows how gullible the smarks really are. Now they love everyone Heyman wants them to love, but, of course, only until Heyman tells them to 'think' differently," wrote Michael.

"He should be remained Justin Adequate," wrote Sam.

"I do think that Heyman has a clue how to book and get guys over, but there is a point here. Heyman has created a product that is more based on the wrestling style than purely on the wrestlers themselves. The fans have been trained to react in certain ways to certain things, and are given the impression that they are part of an 'elite' because they are ECW fans," wrote Miko.

"Yeah, like all cults ECW fans embrace closed-mindedness in the shell of open-mindedness and an outlaw image, when in truth they are as close-minded as those they claim oppress them," wrote Sam.

I definitely agree that the fans first and foremost come to see the ECW style. Whether you possessed any of the characteristics they like when you wrestled elsewhere is relatively unimportant. What is important is that you are "capable" of doing and saying what they want once you get to the Bingo Hall. That said, the reason for this is not that a bunch of people woke up one morning and said, "I want to see wrestling with a lot of blood, swearing, and half naked chicks," rather, it's what's been engrained in their heads as great, cool, hardcore, Extreme, etc. throughout the existence of Extreme Championship Wrestling. This is not to say that the ECW fans didn't like these things before, I mean what guy doesn't want to see a half naked chick if she is attractive (which to me lets out the majority of women in American wrestling, but nonetheless), but that a wrestling promotion wasn't where they turned to find it.

6) Heyman made Benoit, Malenko, Eddy Guerrero, Misterio Jr., etc. into stars

7) ECW is a great live product, but doesn't translate well onto television

I think this line of thinking is closer to, when I'm not "Fully Loaded" even "Heyman editing" cannot make these matches look good.

8) Joey "Tiger bomb" Styles is still the best announcer in the business

"He has been so exposed since they went to PPV that only Fagger Lee Marshall and anyone in the WWF not named J.R. is worse than Jo-Jo. Shilling up the wazoo, altering the established names of moves to name them after ECW wrestlers who didn't invent them, and overselling everything in his trademark grating voice has made the mute button the greatest thing since sliced bread," wrote Michael.

The "space flying Kronus drop" among others is beyond disgraceful, but there's no way in hell that Schillin' Joey is worse than Lyin' Tony, whose nose would stretch from Georgia to Tokyo if he was Pinocchio. Remember, this is the guy who recently said "Of all the great matches Hogan has had in his career," not to mention tried to claim an average (***1/4 ROFTLMAO) Goldberg vs. Page match was "the greatest world title match he'd ever seen."

"Tony's this is the best match of all time...even better than the former best of all time from last week is just awful," wrote Miko.

ECW is crap to most anyone else, even the WWF fans who think the same ECW-esque material is great when they see it in the WWF. Most people see ECW as a promotion being held back by the swearing, scantily clad women, and certain angles they run, which is at worst partially true because it keeps them in late time slots or off tv all together. However, despite

1) delivering crap even though they have, in comparison to ECW and FMW, a basically unlimited supply of money to use the best talent

Wasn't it just the funniest thing when Vince was trying to claim that "Billionaire Ted" was trying to spend his poor little family owned company out of the business? It's just hilarious when people whine when they feel their "own" tactics are being used against them.

2) burying almost every talented worker they have

"Yeah, Vince is a creative genius. Just look at how over K-DX is. Look at how he destroyed one of the best, if not the best, monster of all-time in Vader. Look at how Mero got over after his wife turned into Dolly Parton. What about Owen's huge push to compensate for the departure of Bret? Good job Vinnie, you the man," wrote Michael.

3) having perhaps one good match per show when there's no reason they couldn't have several

"With their roster they can't have quality matches no matter how much DM goes with the flow and overrates their matches," wrote Michael.

I agree with Michael to some extent because the guys who have a role, with the exceptions of overrated Austin, overrated Mick of the many names Foley, and vastly overrated King of Overexaggeration Michaels, suck in one way or another. However, the WWF has brought in plenty of guys who were delivering the goods elsewhere, right up until they entered the WWF in fact, only to have about zero very good matches in the WWF. Wrestlers do not forget how to work overnight or fall that fast without a major injury, so the problem obviously comes from above. Namely lack of push gives them no reason to work hard or lack of emphasis on having quality matches gives them no reason to worry about delivering the goods.

4) using a bunch of stiffs on top when anyone pushed could draw against Austin

"That's the way it was, the way it is, and the way it always will be because Vince has a fetish for big stiffs, and that's the bottom line. Austin could draw against a broom right now, but he keeps facing the same two or three guys over and over again. Even if he fueds with Maivia, Owen, Michaels, or HHH it's already something we've seen too much of. His only fresh opponent is Shamrock and that would be a crappy match because Austin can't carry anyone anymore." wrote Michael.

"I have to say that WWF has done a much better job getting over some of their younger guys during this boom period than WCW has done, but Vince unquestionably likes the big stiffs," wrote Miko.

We can't forget that WCW has made that young lion Diamond Dallas Page a main eventer though.

"I can't argue with Miko about that, but who in the WWF is over because of their wrestling

ability? Again, look at the Outlaws. They have the most over catch phrase on the planet right now, but once they shut up and the bell rings no one cares. It's like WWF fans come to hear the catch phrases and crotch chop themselves, but then they all go to the bathroom or concession stand when there is actual wrestling. Some guys in WCW are getting over due to their talent, Kidman, Juvi in some areas, Saturn, and a few others, but since none of them are that good on the mic (not that they've been given the chance to be) they don't get the crowd response that the Outlaws do when they are introduced. Goldberg is over due to destroying almost everyone in under two minutes, but no one else gets that kind of push. For the majority of US wrestlers nowadays, mic skills make or break you, which is sad," wrote Michael.

I think things have degenerated to the point that no matter how pathetic what you do or say is, if performers go out there and beat it into the marks heads enough, they will think it's cool and start saying and/or doing it themselves. This must also be how Sheryl Crow is able to sell her pitiful records because what is any one of her songs beyond the same couple of lines and the same couple of beats over and over again?

5) marketing an adult product to a bunch of 5-year-olds

"I disagree here. While I condemn the crap that the WWF and ECW do, almost no one watches the WWF for their 'wrestling' matches, so it's the parent's responsibility to know what their child is watching and either change the channel when the 'bad' parts are coming up or just not their kid watch any of it. Since it's fake, it's 'ok' to have a guy use a gun on national TV twice in the last two years, just like it's 'ok' for guns to be used on a million other television programs. The WWF's crap is so ludicrous that anyone who actually buys into it needs help anyway," wrote Michael.

"The Vampire guys are one of the best gimmicks in the WWF, simply because there is nothing disgusting or 'adult' about them. They are corny, but fun to watch. If I had kids, I would have no problem letting them watch Edge, Gangrel and Christian. On the other hand, I think it is ridiculous to have a pimp as a face. A PIMP!! JEEZ! I would gladly put up with vampire nightmares rather than try to explain Val Venis or Godfather and his ho's," wrote Chris.

"I think it's rather amusing that people are puzzled about the reason Nitro has such a huge edge in female viewers. It's pretty obvious why that is the case, and also why WWF draws a more teenaged audience, despite focusing on supposedly 'mature' and 'adult' themes. What the WWF presents to me seems more like the classic male teenage rebellion themes, which I'll get into when talking about their storylines. To my mind WWF is more juvenile than 'mature,' so it is wrong to call it an 'adult' product. That is, unless someone can convince me that having a guy named Venis running around spraying people with a big pink supersoaker is the act of an adult," wrote Miko.

6) being by far the most sexist and racist promotion on the planet

According to Chris, sometime in the future a WWF ring announcement will go something like this "coming down the aisle, from Silicon Valley, California, weighing in at 120 lbs. and 38dddd!! Saaaaable!!"

"I agree, but Heyman is almost as much of a sexist as Vince. Actually, Heyman may be worse because violence against women is encouraged in ECW whereas Good Ol' J.R. usually acts disgraced by it. Thus, it's 'ok' when it happens in WWF because they apologize for it while Heyman and his 'family' enjoy it," wrote Michael.

"Sex appeal has a place in wrestling, no doubt, but there is a fine line between using it and abusing it and the WWF stomped over that line long ago. To me they are worse than ECW because of the constant theme of women being used as property. Only Chyna really seems to make a difference in matches that are not bad comedy," wrote Miko.

7) pulling stunts like nipple shots on their TV show and PPV that would have everyone saying Heyman had lost it if he had done the same thing (which in a way is true because at the moment WWF can get away with it and ECW couldn't)

"Hey, why use the pause button when WWF will show you the replay? At least

Vince delivers what his fans want, and in wrestling that makes everything 'ok.' At this point the WWF as a whole is in the same dangerous situation that Cactus is in. It's not only Cactus playing can you top this with himself, but it's the entire league in one way or another, and one day it'll come back to haunt them," wrote Michael.

"The danger of anything done for shock value is that sooner or later it wears off and often there is backlash. I can kinda see why people love Sable so much because she's willing to strip down to nothing more than a G-string and see through lingerie. The problem with this is that once the fans are desensitized to that, there is nothing more she can take off without WWF going R-rated," wrote Miko.

"Eventually the WWF will have to either do enough to get an R-rating, or keep finding new women to parade out there because you can only see Sable barely dressed for so long until you get

tired of her (or she melts) and want someone else," wrote Michael.

I disagree with Michael because people haven't noticed anything other than Sable's surgically "enhanced" chest in all this time, so it's not like they care that she already looks like an over fourty washed up stripper. As long as enough marks still find her appealing, and she doesn't explode or get so top heavy she keeps toppling over when they run her out in next to nothing, we are probably stuck with her for a quite a while. Luckily, no one lasts all that long in WWF.

8) doing the same things that are considered crap or bad ideas when FMW or ECW does them

"I think the difference is that people look at the WWF as wrestling and FMW and ECW as something different. The WWF isn't wrestling, and they don't even promote it anymore as anything other than a secondary form of 'entertainment.' I don't see how anyone can lump FMW in with these groups because FMW has more wrestling and at this point they are not relying on shock value to keep people hooked. I seriously doubt that if FMW brings the women back you'll see Kaori pop out of her top or Hayabusa piledrive her. FMW uses props, but not nearly as much as ECW because in FMW they are PART of the match, not the WHOLE match. The WWF and FMW are completely different and anyone who needs and explanation as to why needs glasses," wrote Michael.

WWF is a major league promotion. Thus, they are wrongly considered great entertainment led by the god of all wrestling Steve Austin because people with double standards said so. If I want to see great entertainment, I can watch arguably the best actor in Hollywood, Kevin Spacey, in his best role playing probably the best evil boss ever in one of the most underrated movie U.S. movie of the 1990's, Swimming With Sharks. I don't need to put on USA to see Mr. Overact Vince McMahon's not even suitable for Up All Night version.

"I can't argue with Kevin Spacey being the best actor. Spacey was a perfect sadistic boss in this movie. He could be such a bastard, but then look so sincere, even almost sympathetic, later on when he wanted something," wrote Miko.

"Everyone says how compelling the WWF storylines are yet no one ever says why they are so compelling. I think the reason is that they simply cannot explain why they, or anyone else, buys into it. This goddamn angle between Austin and Vince has seemingly been going on since Austin was feuding with Chris Adams in Texas and Eric Embry was fighting for the pride of WCCW. As long as Vince is enough of an asshole that people can chant that at him they'll probably continue buying this crap. Anyone who doesn't have their head up their ass and isn't trying to sell newsletters *wink, wink* realizes how retarded the WWF is and that, just like WCW and ECW storylines, none of it makes any sense. I'm sure that if a guy constantly embarrassed us on national tv and beat us up, at one point taking things so far that he pulled the Frank Whaley and held us hostage, we'd still not only let him keep his job, but continue pushing him to the moon, wouldn't we? One other question, how come it's only unrealistic when guys get arrested in WCW and ECW? Well those guys in Phili actually do get arrested, so I guess I just mean the guys in Atlanta," wrote Michael

"I always just figured the storylines are popular with a large part of the crowd because they are adolescent fantasies. Rebellion that renders authority impotent (how much has McMahon -really- done to hurt Austin? Certainly not even close to what Austin has done to him). Women as sex objects, and enjoying it. People from outside the United States obviously not being nearly as intelligent or advanced as Americans. As far as arrests go, don't forget how many times Hall has been arrested in real life," wrote Miko.

If I want to see great wrestling from the a wrestler on the WWF roster, no scratch that, wrestling worth my time if I have 3 months off and absolutely nothing to do, I usually have to put on a tape of a match they had before entering the WWF. Excuse me for not seeing what makes this league any good, but all I see are matches so short that even Kawada couldn't fit any build into, a bunch of never ending bad soap opera angles, a bunch of women who are lucky to still be able to stand up straight, and a bunch of guys who do the same creative things like pointing to their "Venis" twenty times a week. It's not that I think what WWF and ECW do is improper, and I'm the last person that would ever support any form of censorship of these products. I simply find what the WWF and ECW do to be a pitiful and downright pathetic. Their antics and gimmicks are merely an excuse to not deliver any quality wrestling, or in the WWF's case, any wrestling at all.

Special Thanks to Michael Smith, Miko Kubota, Sam Panico, Chris Martinez, Hadi Motiee, Zach Arnold, & Glenn Tsunekawa